welcome to you both. >> good morning, carol. >> paul, i'll start with you. so, which is it? do we need those air traffic control towers at these smaller airports or don't we? >> we absolutely need those towers at those -- the air traffic controllers in those towers. it's the safety of the system. we have the safest, most efficient system in the world. and sequestration is basically dibs mant dismantling it, one tower at a time, and we are against these cuts. >> and miles, when you hear that federal tax dollars went to build these brand-new towers and now there's not enough federal money to operate them, because congress can't get it back together, that must be maddening? >> it's maddening and it's concerning, as a pilot. you know, carol, as drivers, we know the rules of the road, and when you come to a four-way stop, you yield to the person on the right and so forth. and we all get by pretty well with that. and you can do that in aviation, but sometimes you need a traffic cop, when there's a lot of traffic, in midtown manhattan. and some of these airports, even though they'r